Mel Robbins' "Let Them" Approach: Transforming Life, Business, & Relationships

Mindy Price (00:01) Well, hello everybody and welcome to another episode of Sugar Spice and Spirits. I'm one of your co-hosts Mindy Price and I've got Natalie and Kelly with me today and I am super excited to jump into this episode where I am wearing this specific color for a specific reason. You'll have to stay tuned to find out what it is. But it's early in the morning. We're recording first thing because we've got a lot of stuff we have to get done. So we'll jump right into our sip of the day and then we'll get into the episode. My sip of the day, inspired by, I at least have two of these a day, is an amazing cup of coffee in my, you've got this, because I've got a really big day ahead of me, coffee. And it happens to be the, uh, Sincera? Sincera? How do you say that? Sincera blend? Kelly Williams (00:49) Sincere? Sincere? Mindy Price (00:52) It's light. Here's a fun fact. Did you know that light blend coffee, so your light roast has more caffeine than your dark roast? I didn't know that for a long time. Kelly Williams (01:01) learned that the other day. I don't know how or where I learned it, but I did. I always thought, expected the dark roast to be the more robust. And it may be more robust, but you're right. did read where the caffeine level is a little higher in the lighter roast. So bring on the light roast. No, no, light, light, light. Mindy Price (01:16) I had no idea. I always was like dark, dark, dark. And now I'm like, light. Natalie Pilkinton (01:21) Well, that explains why I like light over dark. This dark coffee is very rich. I have 1800 Costa Rican coffee in my cup and it's putting chest hair on me as we speak because it is so robust and so strong. But I have my nice Costa Rican cup. Mindy Price (01:42) and you just got back from Costa Rica and we did an episode from there. Kelly Williams (01:44) Yeah. Natalie Pilkinton (01:45) Yeah. Kelly Williams (01:45) Yes. And different topic, but got a little shaky on you while you were over there, right? Had a little earthquake. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Natalie Pilkinton (01:52) The bed wasn't shaking. It's not what you're thinking. It was an earthquake. Never been through an earthquake before in my life. But people who go through it, they're like, yeah, it's just an earthquake. Like, what are you kidding? I'm like in a resort on the side of a mountain and I just went through an earthquake. This was big for my head mentally. My kids have never responded to a text so fast in their life. So yeah, at least I know how to get a hold of them now Kelly Williams (02:10) Yeah, come out. He's like, are you okay? Yeah, right. So I had a small cup of coffee this morning, I, and I know people say they're not good for you and they're probably not, but I went for the Monster this morning. And I typically like a carbonated drink, but this one's kind this tastes almost like a, like a tea. And so it's actually, duh, it says Monster Rehab tea and lemonade, but it's not carbonated. So it's a little smoother. it's, it's really good. So, yeah, this is my go-go. Yes. Yes. This is my go-go juice for the day. So. Cheers. Natalie Pilkinton (02:47) So if you are no Palmer. Mindy Price (02:49) Yes. So, well, cheers ladies. funny story about an Arnold Palmer and then we'll jump into this. I can remember going to lunch with my with one of my favorite bosses ever and he just didn't seem like the type of guy that was going to order a drink a cocktail at lunch and he ordered an Arnold Palmer and I was like whoa what am I supposed to do? I thought an Arnold Palmer was like a an iced tea lemonade mix but it had vodka in it. I didn't Kelly Williams (03:02) easy for you to say. Mindy Price (03:26) No. And so I was like, what is in that? And then when he said, and I waited to listen for the vodka, was like, I don't know if I was relieved or disappointed, but. Kelly Williams (03:38) So did it, did Natalie Pilkinton (03:39) Good thinking, you're out. Kelly Williams (03:39) or did not have the vodka? It did not, okay. So now aren't you glad he didn't order you? Okay, you have the honor of Palmer, which is tea. I'll have the Long Island ice tea. He was probably going, wow. there's. Mindy Price (03:49) That would have Nat right? Natalie Pilkinton (03:53) That was my go-to. Yeah, that would have been awkward. Good thing you asked. Mindy Price (03:57) So glad I asked. All right. So what are we talking about today? and my green, my color green that I am wearing is inspired by Mel Robbins because the other night I went with three girlfriends to see Mel live and y'all I was absolutely blown away. It was such a fantastic show. It wasn't actually what I was expecting it to be. And we all started reading her book. The let them theory we've talked about it before notice. There's something a little special on mine Have that autograph on there, which was really cool Kelly Williams (04:31) So we got, someone has a special Mindy Price (04:34) I wish I could say Kelly Williams (04:34) signature. Mindy Price (04:34) it was as cool as I actually got to meet her and she signed it. No, but the guy in the beginning that is he was dressed all in green. had the wig on the glasses on. He was super fun. What a great host. He was running around and he came to our section. Of course I'm jumping up and down and I'm wearing my Mel green. I let them green and he calls on me. So I didn't make it to the big stage, but I was on the big stage. the screen. I didn't see it because I was so focused on him. Didn't realize that was happening. But I was super excited that I actually got her book that was autographed. And you can see on the cover, she has added her daughter Sawyer, who was there as a co author of the book. If you didn't know, she actually helped her quite a bit with the book, especially in the beginning, you have the let them and then Sawyer was like, but we need the let me and what do you do with that? And so I thought today it would be interesting to talk about this because I think in our personal lives, And in our professional lives, we get tied down a lot of times worrying about everybody else, what everybody else thinks. And we get held back thinking we're too old, we can't accomplish anything. I don't know if you'll know this, Mel seems like she's been a household name forever and she had ups and downs in her career, but she literally is 57 right now. Kelly Williams (05:36) guilty. Mindy Price (05:51) She didn't really take off and she wasn't this huge personality selling out theaters and different stages until she was 54. Think about that. Just three years ago, she became this name that everybody recognizes. And I think there's a lot of lessons that are in there. And that's something that really, really stuck with me. And I can also remember earlier on worrying about everybody else. Well, if they didn't do that, this is how it impacts me. If they think this, worried about that instead of her theory of let them, you can't control what they're doing. But what you can do is you can control yourself and how that impacts you. It's not just let them get away with anything. It's let them do them. You can't change them. It has to be up to them. And I loved it. And this was one moment I was like, I'm not taking my husband to this. I was thankful I was with some amazing girlfriends, but she talked to the guys in the audience. She talked to the people who were the plus ones. And I think a lot of her messaging really resonated. was like a, it wasn't a podcast. It was like a keynote and storytelling and it had, you know, cinematic moments like where the stage was changed to. you know, go into the moment of the message that she was trying to get you to respond to and to really understand. And then what was also neat, y'all, she had everybody in the audience who came by themselves stand up. Every single section had a handful of people that literally were there by themselves. And I thought that was so cool. A couple of people flew in and drove in from different areas, one from a different area of the country, one from a different area of Texas. and that was really, really neat. So it was awesome. I wish y'all could have been there with me, but what are your thoughts on the let them theory and how has it impacted you? Kelly Williams (07:38) Thank So I want to just kind of backtrack just a little bit. And this absolutely has nothing to do with how she looks because she is beautiful. I mean, she's very beautiful. But it surprises me that she's younger than me, you know, by just a couple of years. I was shocked that she has come so far in such a short period of time. But what is so funny is I guess you expect she's so knowledgeable. When you listen to her podcast and you look at some of the phenomenal guests that she has had on her podcast, mean, from doctors to lawyers to researchers and scientists, I mean, it's, of course, I'm going the medical side, but she's just amazing on how much she's accomplished. And I guess for some reason, I just expected her to be older because you think with age comes wisdom. And so when you said she's only 57, I thought, boy, that far she's younger than me. Natalie Pilkinton (08:46) We said we're behind. Like that's what I'm getting like, cause I'm like, ancient, so full of wisdom. Kelly Williams (08:49) What? Yeah, but it does go to show you that you just can't judge a book by its cover. But yeah, she is very dynamic and I do hate that we didn't get to go. But wow, that's a big, huge accomplishment from just a few years to where she is now on the stage and all the different guests that she's had. And wow, yeah, I'm a little, I shouldn't be wearing green because I'd be a little green with envy. Because you get to experience that how awesome is that so yeah, that's that's fabulous. That's cool. Very cool Mindy Price (09:28) What about you, Natalie? Natalie Pilkinton (09:29) So my take on Mel, I wish I could have gone, I wish I wasn't in Costa Rica. However, I wouldn't change that. I had a lot of fun. But with the let them, I think there's a lot of value to that. I think there's a certain freedom with that that comes if you're not trying to control everything in it. And I know you might be getting into it. I don't want to go too far. But absolutely, it's freeing. It's almost like when you forgive somebody and you're not letting them live free in your head. It's just that. Kelly Williams (09:36) but do you really? Natalie Pilkinton (09:59) I was in Costa Rica, my daughter's like, okay, I signed a lease. You're moving out, you're gonna be probably moving in six months her and her man are gonna leave and move somewhere else. He's an airline mechanic, he's gotta take a couple tests and then they'll be on their way. And with the tests, you don't know where you're gonna be after you pass those tests. You may end up in Minnesota because they need airline mechanics, I know, because they need airline mechanics there. they don't know where he's gonna be. And they're renting an apartment. I'm like, why are you renting an apartment for six months? Just stay, save your money, and then you can go somewhere and buy and do, or just have a little bit of a nest egg. And she's like, I'm out. I'm done. Like, okay, baby girl, let them. Love you. Now my house is full of Amazon packages for trying to fill an apartment, but here we go. Kelly Williams (10:38) Yeah. So, when I read the Let Them book, actually, I'm like you, Mindy, I like the book. I'm the highlighter queen, I'm the paperclip that, you know, let's tag something that was really important. You know, I had to go through it a couple of times because I will admit that sometimes I have a difficult time with letting them. because I guess I've always been the peacemaker and the people pleaser and being that person who's always concerned, I have always tried to put other people's feelings and needs before my own, sometimes to the point of where my sacrifice has almost been detrimental to myself, but I have a hard time sometimes with let them. letting go and letting them, do you, and I'm not gonna worry about how it's affecting me, but I will admit I'm that person that sometimes it still internally just eats at me. I, it's, the letting, I love it. And it is absolutely wonderful when you're able to achieve that, just let it go. But I'm one of those, I have a hard time with it, and I had to listen to it a couple of times for it to just finally sink into me and say, okay, it's for your own peace. And it's very valid, but I'm just that person that it was, it's a difficult step for me sometimes, but definitely a valuable step. Mindy Price (12:18) What's that control piece? You don't have control over somebody else. you know, Natalie, you stepping back and just saying, okay, baby girl, if you're going to do this, you do this and you are there for them. And it's not about if something goes wrong saying, I told you so, because those aren't the kind of lessons people listen to. And it's about saying, you're doing this. This is your journey. I'm going to impact. I'm going to have control over me and what I can do. And It's easy to say it, to actually do it is so much harder. My youngest son trying to figure out what he wants to do and his path and his journey, it became much more clear to him when I laid off, when I let him figure out what he wanted to do. I planted little seeds. Hey, if that's really what you want to do, consider this and figuring out not manipulating, but figuring out how to speak to him in a way where it was his idea. by planting those seeds and it all came together. And when he had this big epiphany and I'm like, thank you dear God, it worked. But it was, it made sense. He had the time and the space to think about it. And then he could see the vision himself. That was so hard for me though. And it was a long process. It didn't happen overnight. And I was in the middle of reading this book and it had a huge impact on how I reacted to him. There's different situations that I'm dealing with right now where I'm like, I am not letting them. I am trying to control them. This is backfiring on me a hundred percent and so going there and Just listening to her stories and thinking about what she had to say. It made me go aha Yeah, yeah OCD you need to step back you need to just let them and then let me and control what I can for me and what the impact is there and so Natalie Pilkinton (14:04) Are you referring to me going into YouTube and changing everything when you went in yesterday and you're like, what is going on? When you just got back, have to let them think. Mindy Price (14:13) am not. I have matured and I Kelly Williams (14:16) can do it. You can do it. Mindy Price (14:16) just let you and let it go. So no, not everything's about you, Natalie. Kelly Williams (14:25) So here's what's so funny and Mindy, I can see it because I know both of your sons, I know them very well. And you talk about two polar opposite personalities. I mean, just amazingly different, both amazing young men. But the thing is that when you parent one, you almost have to think, I parented this one, I'm gonna parent this. But your parenting styles have to be totally different. because your two kids are totally different. And we were having a discussion about the success stories of your oldest son and he's about to get married and your youngest son. I mean, you're still wanting to nurture and he's still at home. But yeah, you have to step back. I'm helping my daughter plan a wedding and she'll put stuff out that I'm like, what? No! Okay, you're right, it's your wedding. Okay, it's your day. I'm like, my God, please don't let her choose that. And I know it's gonna be beautiful, but you just. you have to, like you said, step back and let them. And she just moved into her new house and she and her fiance are, I mean, they're fussing over which drawer the silverware goes in, which by the way, I totally disagree with where he put it. Anyway, you know, but I just have to let him. I'm like, that's the stupidest thing I've ever seen. But again, not mine. So I just step back and it's, it's the same way with your kids. It's the same way with your, with your career path. with just decisions that you have to make. And yeah, you just sometimes have to step back and let them do their thing and know that you don't have control over it. And sometimes it's easier if sometimes it's easier for you to step back and let go because it gives you so much peace. But sometimes when you step back and you still want to have that control, it's really difficult, really, really difficult because you don't want to see anyone. You don't want to do that. I told you so. Sometimes that's the only way they learn. The only way they learn is to hit that stumbling block. Mindy Price (16:11) You knew it! Kelly Williams (16:20) and realize, okay, and you just kind sit back and go, mm-hmm, okay. So, yeah. Mindy Price (16:23) Yeah. It's so funny when you said that I just had all these different little bubbles popping up on my head and visuals of things like the silverware. It would make so much more sense over here. But at the end of the day. you need silverware to eat unless you eat with your hands or whatever it is that you do, you know where to go grab it and it still gets you to the end where you need to be. You see colors and different things, you with your daughter wanting to put stuff together for the wedding and you're like, that's not going to look good. And at the end of the day, it looks good or it makes her happy. That's truly, truly what matters. And sometimes we get so focused and I'm just using your examples, Kelly, I plenty of mine. So, Natalie Pilkinton (17:02) Just run over Kelly, she's okay. Just run her bus over. Kelly Williams (17:02) No, it's fine. up. Mindy Price (17:07) But you think about getting so worked up over these little things that don't have a real impact on you, but they're frustrating you, and you think about it. And we do that, I do that. I would think we're all people that have those situations where it really doesn't impact you. At the end of the day, you have a goal. And I've always been one of those, y'all have heard me say it, here's where we need to get, I say this with my teams, here's where we need to get. You're gonna get there. These are some ideas for you. At the end of the day, you know, your Natalie-isms, your Kelly-isms, put your spin on it, but ultimately here's the goal. And if we need to come back to something else, that's okay. And I know that's more in a business example, but it is in life too. But just, I love the silverware and thinking about, but you still get to eat. You still know where it's at. It's like, if we know we have to get here, it may not be the way you want to, but it didn't hurt anybody in the process. Just let it go. No? So now. Kelly Williams (18:08) The art art it's almost like the art of compromise too. It's like okay. I gave you the silverware drawer you give me this or that and You know sometimes that that is part of the let them is like, you know You decide what you keep what you let go what you're not willing to let go and what you must compromise on but sometimes you're right there there's I think a lot of times too is with when you have a situation, whether it's in life, whether it's in business, you have a situation and you want so bad for people to understand your thought process. Well, this is why I think this is how it should be. And it's so frustrating when they just don't get it. Why can't you see how important this is? And they're just like, because it's not, I don't see it that way. I see it some way totally different. Yeah, I mean, well, you're stupid. Well, no, that's not necessarily the case. You just have a different objective. But I think that's the hard part is when you go so far to try and explain the reason why you think it should be one way and they just don't see it or they say, okay, yes, that's fine. But I have a better way or a different way. Let's face it. Sometimes when we don't get our way, we just we just get all huffy and I do and and I'm like fine, you know, but that's what you have to let go because if you let it eat at you because you didn't get your way, that's on you. That's on you. Mindy Price (19:34) Yeah. And you know, as we mature, we get a little bit older. think one of the skills that I teach is listening to connect. You can listen to respond, you can listen to understand, or you can listen to connect. And that one's hard. Number three is hard because it's at the connection point when you can really do that. You actually understand why they have their point of view. Doesn't mean you agree, but now you have a full understanding of why they feel that way. So then you can see it from that perspective. But sometimes we want so badly to be right or our way or the highway. I don't know if your parents ever said that, it's my way or the highway. But that we don't get that connection part and we miss it. And then everybody walks away frustrated. And I think part of the let them, let them have their thoughts and their opinions and try to understand where it's coming from. And again, that's where the let me comes in. You're not saying you agree, but you're understanding them. Natalie Pilkinton (20:31) And I think that yeah, like the way Kelly, Kelly is saying it to be understood, like she wants to be understood. And the way Mindy you're saying it is let's connect, let me understand where they're coming from and then go from there, which I think are definitely two separate angles. So I mean, I can see, I see both sides. You just want to be heard sometimes, but for me, I have too much going on to worry about every little thing in detail. Like I'm just like, whatever. You know, on the ways, when it gives me five different ways to drive through Costa Rica, I can drive off a cliff over by the seaside or I can drive over a cliff off next to the mountain. So I just picked my clift and we just went and we weren't hit by an 18-wheeler because we bought the insurance on the car and it was great. And I just had a couple of pucker factors on the drive and was very thankful it wasn't me driving. And we got from point A to point B and we went the way that we went. So, you know, it's like sometimes you just gotta like give it to God and let it go. So, and I think that's kind of like the let them without that spiritual component. It's like, okay, God, it's yours. Like however you see this rolling out or however you see this unwrapping or unraveling or unfolding, let me go on this journey. I appreciate it. And just don't. Let me enjoy the moment too because sometimes people miss the opportunity to really be present because they're so wrapped around their thoughts. Like, man, I wish this would have been so much better if they did this or this would have been. You really miss that opportunity to be present. And I think with what I learned in Costa Rica is just because I'm so wise now, Kelly, I'm really wise beyond my years. When I was in Costa Rica, just, just. unplugging. always active, always have my phone, I'm always going, I'm always doing, I'm a realtor, you know, like it's, I'm not a nine to five or I can't turn it off. It's just going, Now, although I did do an LOI and I did write a contract on a property on a new home, I was still active, but I was still... very, very present. Like you and I didn't talk where we talk, you know, usually every day and I didn't talk to some of my other buddies that I'm very close with. It just was in the moment being present with my man, with nature and with everything. And I think, I think sometimes the let them, I think that just goes along with that. You know, it's, you miss out on opportunities because you're so raptorominoxal and don't rob yourself of that moment. Kelly Williams (23:01) I love what you're saying there because you're right. If you put yourself in a moment, whether you're at an event that maybe you didn't necessarily want to go to or whatever the case is, but when you hold onto that so much that you may or may not get to experience what could be a wonderful, whether it's a concert, whether it's whatever. mean, if you don't get to experience everything that's around you, and you can still walk away and say, okay, I'm glad I was there, experienced it, probably won't go back again. But if you sit there, what happens if you realize, wow, I was wrong, I really, really like this, but you'd been so sitting over in the corner, puffed up like a blowfish, mad, because you dragged me here, or this isn't what I agree with, this is what I didn't want, or whatever, that you may actually miss a fabulous time. and a great memory building opportunity because you're sitting over there being a butt hole and being in your pity party because you can't let it go. And you're right, I I love that, I love that. You've got to get away from that and absorb and experience. And real quickly, one thing that we were saying when you said that Mindy and I were kind of saying two different things, I think also, and this goes both ways, Mindy, when you said, listen to hear, listen to connect. It's frustrating when you are on that side and you're trying to express, is why I feel this way. And you feel like you're just talking to a wall because that person has already made up their mind. So they're not hearing you or listening to connect. And so I think that's also what's frustrating. I think when you connect and you have that conversation and you, like you said, compromise or whatever at the end of the day, You still have the silverware, you still get to eat, you still have the same outcome. It may not have been the right path, but you still got where you needed to be and you discussed it and everyone's happy about it. But it's frustrating when you have that discussion and you're talking to just someone that's not open and willing to hear it. That's what's frustrating. And that's the most, I think that's the most difficult time when it is like, you know, let them, just let them because you know, you're, Natalie Pilkinton (25:24) Okay, I'm gonna have to jump in here because the biggest let them that I had was when my best friend was murdered and I've talked about this before but she was taken to the hospital. had COVID. and I told her husband and I told her before how to treat her, how do you treat her, what do you do. I'd read the reports from Italy, I read the reports from Africa, I read about Rendemzebier, I already knew that the hospitals had changed their protocol. When it came to breathing treatments, I already knew where hospital I was taking mom to. Mom's COPD, she's 300 pounds, she can't walk, she's the poster child candidate to die from. Kelly Williams (25:53) Thank you. Natalie Pilkinton (26:02) to die from COVID or to be murdered by the hospital's protocol and COVID and get paid their money. They incentivized death. And I knew that this was coming because I read the reports all beforehand. And my best friend who we had these conversations. Her and her husband did not have the protocol. didn't listen to what I had said. They didn't take heed in my warning, in my reading of studies and reports and everything. Rendemnzivir, this is not its first go-round. They took her. to either Methodist or Memorial, one of the hospitals, one of the two that I said don't take her to, like take her to get monoclock, and I know I'm saying that right, antibodies. They're not gonna take her because her SATs were at 70. You're gonna have to go to the hospital. Go to the hospital down on Parker and Tidwell. They had an African doctor who was the main doctor at that hospital who was from Africa. His success rate was in the 99, 97 percent tile of survivorship because he didn't follow the new protocol and he didn't subscribe. or prescribed Rendemzavir. So my best friend checks into the hospital. He calls me, her husband, and he says, we've got her all checked in. We've got her good. She's good to go. She's at the hospital. I said, why did you take her there? I said, make sure they do not give her Rendemzavir. And he didn't respond. He's like, okay, she's good. And I'm like, make sure, I'm texting her on Facebook, make sure you don't take Rendemzevir, it causes organ failure. My last message to my best friend is don't take Rendemzevir. And I get a call from her husband saying she's really stressed, can you leave her alone? Like she's got a lot, and I said I understand. I said are you gonna advocate for my friend? Are you gonna advocate for her? And he's like, all right, we'll talk to you later. And I'm like. mother father and I didn't say that I was pissed because I read the writing on the wall I knew what was coming for my friend so she's in the hospital and she stops she's not on Facebook anymore she's not active and I know at that point they've intubated her and I know she's going down and so I'm like I reach out to him after a week and I'm like how is my friend because at this point I know where she's at And he said, she's fine, she's fine. I said, stop lying. And he said, she's, she's, she's intubated. This woman is in her thirties and she has three kids, three daughters. And I'm like, he's intubated. So then, okay. And then we talked a little and he's hanging in there by thread, their newlyweds, all this other. So he calls me a couple of days later, do you want to come say goodbye to her? And I said, no. Kelly Williams (28:37) Thanks. Natalie Pilkinton (28:54) I said, are you ready to advocate for my friend? Are you ready to advocate for her? And he goes, what do you mean? Like, what are you talking about? I said, who's with you? And he had a sister with him. I said, I'm gonna buy some. I want you to get a lotion bottle and I want you to put it in this lotion bottle. I bought tractor supply, ivermectin, pour on. He clean out the lotion bottle, pour that ivermectin into the lotion bottle. And he's like, well, she's got cuffs on her legs. I said, Fuck the cuffs, take the cuffs off her leg, rub it on her legs. Within two days, she was sitting on the side of the bed and sitting on a chair up and moving, damaged, weak. She died two days later of organ failure. Her body shut down because of rendemzair So let them, it's tough, Kelly. Kelly Williams (29:43) it Natalie Pilkinton (29:47) It is tough. It took everything in my power not to run up there and rip those cuffs off and lather her, throw it on her, whatever. But you can only control so much. And because my best friend and her husband didn't listen to me, I have no best friend. And that part hurts. And there's nothing you can do. But he didn't even realize. He wasn't even in the right mind. He didn't even realize until months later. When we were at a friend's party and two male guys were giving their widow dates and he said his wife died of COVID. And I was like, no, sir, you don't get to say that. She didn't die of COVID, she was murdered. It was Redemzivir, Redemzivir poisoning. And I think it was at that point when he clicked. But I will advocate for her and I will spread the message. Always question, always follow the money, but let them isn't always easy. And forgiveness. that comes from the Lord to everyone involved, you know, that's tough. I mean, that's, and I'm sorry to go off on a tangent, but when you say let them is hard. Kelly Williams (30:48) Mm-hmm. Natalie Pilkinton (30:57) It's not hard over colors. It's not hard over where the silverware goes. It's hard when you know your best friend's walking down the store and your last text to her is don't take spheridinums of your because it causes organ failure. That's what's tough. That's the part that's hard because we're not just talking colors. We're talking a life. So that's just. Kelly Williams (31:16) You're exactly right. The extremes of let them can be something as simple and trivial as what shirt you're going to wear versus this is the difference between life and death. yeah, you're absolutely 100%. I had a good friend who went to the hospital. His girlfriend found him on the floor and he came alert. He said, no matter what happens, don't let them intubate me. because I'll never walk out. And they tried to intubate him and he left AMA and went home and started doing his own thing. And it took him a long time to get back, but he survived. And again, I don't know what medications he was on or anything like that. but yeah, and I think sometimes as, you know, Joe Q Public, you, Natalie Pilkinton (32:01) Yeah. Kelly Williams (32:11) go into a situation expecting those in authority to have done the research and know what's good, know what's bad, know what's appropriate and inappropriate, know what's better versus more harmful. And when you are, when your hands are tied because you don't understand it from a doctor's perspective, that's who you depend on. And sometimes, sometimes it's the Natalies out there who have done all the research who know more. Natalie Pilkinton (32:31) Well, and then. Kelly Williams (32:40) because they've the emotional component in there. Natalie Pilkinton (32:45) In the husband's defense, he did have a family member who was a nurse who was in healthcare who said that's standard protocol. This protocol was killing 50 % of the people. Kelly Williams (32:54) through protocol. Don't do, Mindy Price (32:58) Hmm. Kelly Williams (32:58) you know, if you have an 80 % death rate, I would rather you not follow protocol and you just look at me as an individual and treat me as an individual. And we can probably, and we probably should make this a totally different podcast topic because Lord, I've got lots of things I could say about this as well. But yeah, 100%. And I'm so sorry that you had to go through that because no one, I've had a lot of friends, Mindy and I both have, we've all three had lots of friends that passed away at very young ages because of a freaking virus that probably was not, like you said, it's when you look at these commercials on TV and take this for your hangnail, but you're gonna have. liver failure and kidney failure and the latest one out there, I'm sorry, it is so disgusting. Right now the latest one is swelling around her anus and your genitals. I'm like, do you really have to put that on the TV? And I'm like, you know, yes. It's like, I'm just trying to fix my hangnail and you want me to take something that's gonna have my bladder fall out on the floor or something? It's like, okay. So, sorry, we totally got off on a bad van. Sorry. Natalie Pilkinton (33:59) I'm just... you Just have a baby. Mindy Price (34:11) Natalie thank you for making us laugh Kelly Williams (34:15) I'm sorry, what? Mindy Price (34:15) No, thank you for making us laugh on that and you know Natalie if I was there if I was with you You know give you the biggest hug. I'm sorry to you know See your pain and you were a good advocate for your friend one of the things that you bring up with this with Let them and then let me We all have different ways of dealing with things the three of us are Christians and we look to the Lord whenever we need Kelly Williams (34:24) Yeah. Virtual hug. Mindy Price (34:39) strength and faith and I'm a person that believes and not everybody believes this that your day is already written. God knows when you're going up there and whether you agree or not that was your friend's day. You did everything that you could. I know that it's really really hard but thank goodness for faith too because sometimes you just have to have faith and you have to give it to God and you just have to say okay let them. And God help me, because I need something supernatural because to get through this is really, really, really difficult. And so there's deeper layers to this. When we think of Mel's message, it's very much, so easy, it's so simple, it's so basic, and she breaks it down in a way that you can easily understand and see yourself there. But, I bringing in the faith perspective. It's not only faith in yourself and your judgment in you. but just giving it up because there are some things that just are not in your control. And again, I wish I could hug you. And you know, we don't know where we're going to be five years from now. We don't know where we're going to be three years from now. If we think about Mel was 54, now she's 57 and look at this insane success that she's had. Look at, and not just her success, I truly believe she's successful because she cares about the people in her audience and the people that are reading her books. and she's making a difference. She doesn't have to be on tour right now. She's got enough money to where her and her husband at one point her and her husband were 800,000 in debt. She couldn't get out of bed. She's drinking wine all the time and she decided to count backwards and she's got a different book. I cannot think of the name of it right now, but Count to five Backwards. she... Natalie Pilkinton (36:19) Three, two, Mindy Price (36:23) chose to move forward and she's choosing to impact others. And so in thinking about this whole timeline thing and where we're at, know, Natalie, you and I think about, my gosh, if we were doing that at 57, we've got some years. Kelly, for you, we've given three years, seven years from now, where you can be with the goals that you have. And so one of the things that we got at her event was this little journal. She started it out and she talked about this thing called the Odyssey plan and we didn't know it until the end She tied it in but she had us write this down the very first thing not the very first but one of very first things she did is she asked this question she said what does life look like five years from now a Simple question, but it it makes you think you know What does life look like five years from now? And so if we think about some of those things that are trivial Kelly Williams (37:09) Wow. Mindy Price (37:15) that are driving us crazy, that are silly. Are we even gonna be thinking about them five years from now? Probably not. The second question she asked, and this was in the end, she asked two questions. She said, if you were forced to change, you're forced to change what you're doing right now, what is plan B? That one, I was like, what is plan B? You if you're forced to change, what is plan B? And then the last question that she asked us, she said, if, and I'm going to get this wrong, don't quote me, but it basically was like, if money was no option, if you could do whatever you wanted, what would it be? It could be, and she gave examples of, do you want to travel? Do you want to completely change your career? Do you want to be a movie star? Like, you know, just what, if money was no option and you could do whatever you wanted. And she actually had us tear out a piece of paper. and had us write it down. So you're thinking, okay, I'm going to keep this. So I wrote down what mine was, if money was no option, where I'm at in my life. And I wrote down one word and then she hits us with now pass it to somebody next to you. Somebody that you don't know, whatever the case is. And we're all kind of taken aback just a little bit. okay. And I Kelly Williams (38:38) Yeah. Mindy Price (38:40) this one and I could I tried to find I thought the lady that handed it to me so somebody must have handed it and then handed it because I wanted to go and talk to her and I thought this was super sweet she said work with special needs whoever that person was and I guess I'm getting teary-eyed because you got teary-eyed Natalie but it did even whenever I read it I was just like how amazing is that this person whoever it was that I could not find said they wanted to work with special needs and I was like so I prayed for them I was just like, dear Lord, let them get that. You know, I've been thinking about this person the last two days and I just thought that was so sweet and so selfless. Kelly Williams (39:18) Yeah, because it ultimately wasn't about them. It was them branching out and helping others. But know, wow, where would you be in five years? When you said that, I was almost like, I have no clue. I wouldn't even know, I guess because there's so many different avenues, whether it's your health, whether it's your success, whether it's your love life, whether it's your kid. mean, wow, that's just pretty. Natalie Pilkinton (39:46) Well, the way you're going, Kelly, you might be ending up like in a full body cast. I don't know. Kelly Williams (39:51) You Mindy Price (39:52) Between your surgery, yes. Natalie Pilkinton (39:55) I'm not claiming that on you, but... Kelly Williams (39:58) Yeah, I'm gonna have a big, one of those, you the big circle with the slash through it with 59. You know, just the year, my 59th year was just something we're just gonna throw away and be done with it. And you know, Katie bar the door when 60 gets here, cause hopefully it can't be any worse. But yeah, we're just getting everything taken care of all at one time. Broken legs, messed up hands, which my hands are better. But yeah, we're just, we're gonna go head to toe and get it all taken care of at 59. So 60, 60 plus is gonna be awesome. Yeah Mindy Price (40:28) right and so I want to I want to challenge our listeners I want to challenge the three of us because I really want to sit with these questions and I want to I want to think about them and so as a reminder the question was what does life look like in five years if you were forced to change what is your plan B if you're forced to change you couldn't do what you're currently doing and then if money was no option if there weren't any obstacles what would you really want to be doing for the rest of your life or for Kelly Williams (40:31) Okay. Mindy Price (40:57) you know, whatever said time period. And so I want to challenge you with that. I want to challenge our audience with that. And I want to say, you know, whatever's bothering you, how important is it? You know, what is really happening and how much can you do to let them and then you focus on you and the things that you can control. And I think if each of us does that, then we're going to be We're gonna be at a much better place in the next few years. And so with that, ladies, I wanna say cheers to you. If any of you are looking to buy real estate or wanna invest in it, be sure you reach out to Natalie. If you've got somebody in the Louisiana, Mississippi area and you're looking for home health, non-medical home healthcare, you can reach out to Kelly. And if you're looking to me for a coach or a speaker, I am here for you. And with that, we are Sugar Spice and Spirits. You can spill the tea at sugarspiceandspirits.com. You can also suggest a step of the day or a topic. We would love to hear from you and get subscribed because we're about to finally launch our newsletter. Cheers everybody! Kelly Williams (41:58) Cheers. Natalie Pilkinton (42:00) For a Vida!