80s Dating, Prank Calls & Mixtapes, Life Before Smartphones

Mindy Price (00:01) All right, stop, collaborate and listen. ICE is back. Natalie Pilkinton (00:02) Collaborate and listen. I start with a brand new invention, something. You guys are holding me tightly, flow like a harpoon daily and nightly. Will it ever stop? Mindy Price (00:10) Will they ever stop? Yo, I don't know. Natalie Pilkinton (00:13) turn off the lights and I glow to the extreme rock mic like a band a lot of stage watch jump like a candle dance Chris speakers that boom I'm killing your brain like a poisonous mushroom deadly when I play a dope melody anything less than the best is a felony Kelly Williams (00:13) Mindy Price (00:27) So it's probably a felony that we just opened that way and it's supposed to be Kelly's episode. Kelly Williams (00:28) Have a day. But it's okay because that is a prime example of what I deal with on a daily basis with these two. Hey everyone, this is Kelly Williams, sugar, spice and spirits back at you again today with my two very crazy cohorts, Mindy and Natalie, the Rapper's Delight crew. Good Lord, y'all they give me a headache every day. But hey, I wouldn't want to be any place else. Again, gonna welcome you guys to another episode of Sugar, Spice, and Spirits. We try to keep it light, we try to keep it business, we try to keep it about life, do a little education, but today we're gonna keep it really, really light. before we get started, do us a favor. A favor? Favor, how about that? I want you to like, subscribe to the episode, send it to every friend, family, co-worker that you might know. mean, hell, tell someone on the street, it doesn't matter, especially if you're rapping like these two are. You can find us at sugarspicesandspirits.com. If you actually would like to see all the chaos that goes on behind the scenes and during the podcast, you can actually witness it on our YouTube, Sugarspicesandspirits, of course. But then again, if you've got any suggestions for drinks, for show topics, anything, critique us, give us great feedback. Again, sugarspicesandspirits.com. before we dive in, Let's handle our most important business that we start off every time with and that is our Sip of the Day. So before I reveal the Sip of the Day, I think you're gonna realize based on what you just heard, it might be a little bit out of the air, but it's right on the borderline. I wanna give a little bit of a sneak peek into what our topic of the day is. It's very close to my heart. I think it'll make more sense, excuse me, as to why I chose the sip of the day that I did. It is a topic about remembering when, looking back to good times, maybe for me it was the 80s when I was growing up. I was in high school, I graduated in 85. Yes, I did just totally date myself. But the funny thing is I'm almost 60. These ladies are, they just turned 50. They're so young. But that 10 years makes a huge, huge amount of difference between how we were raised, where we went, what we did for enjoyment, what we drank, all that good stuff. So before we get into the sip, let's think back to the 80s. Some of the drinks for me, guys, I don't even know some of these things are still around or not. had, these are things that you'd go to the Sonic, you'd get your big cup of ice and then you'd pour it in your ice. Of course we'd have to someone buy it for us. Sorry mom, I did. I'm not condoning. underage drinking, but it is what it is. So we had choices like Purple Passion, which was by Mogan David, Bars and James wine coolers. Do y'all, did y'all remember? Okay, so it's not too old. Mad Dog 2020. You can still find that. Yeah, lots of stories. Some of remember, some of you don't. Because we're from, and this may not have anything to do with just being in Texas, but we used to drink Koon Dog Punch. Mindy Price (03:26) find out stories. Kelly Williams (03:37) which I think some people call it trash can punch, have Everclear in it, which we thought we were just like the best and the brightest because we could drink Everclear. Drinks like Fuzzy Navels, Sex on the Beach. We drank it basically because we like the name of it. But that was all fun and everything back in high school. And so one of our go-to drinks, which believe it not, I had a really, really difficult time finding it. But I did, and so we went to the era of the good old Boone's Farm. Remember the Strawberry Hill, Tickle Pink, Snowberry Creek, whatever? Yeah, so I did, I went there. I went with the Strawberry Hill. I tried to find the Tickle Pink, I couldn't find the Tickle Pink. So yeah, this was really responsible for us making some of the probably the fashion decisions, some of the other bad decisions that we made. So anyway, so we're gonna commit to the era where I grew up and we are gonna cheers and dive right into this lovely Boone's Farm Strawberry Hills. So cheers to you ladies and anybody out there who may still actually drink this stuff. So let's see. Mindy Price (04:26) you Cheers! Kelly Williams (04:46) Oh wow, that's It's not bad. It's got a little sweet kick, a little carbonation, a little bit of... Okay, yeah. That's obviously we drank it when we had like very low budget and judgment was not that great. And you know, it was, yeah. Mindy Price (05:08) anticipating it being awful. I had it in the freezer and I thought it might freeze because I don't know what the alcohol content of it is. I don't know 7.5 proof. Anyway I thought it might freeze it's been in there for a while so I'm it's sweating and I'm like got a paper towel over here and I thought it was going to be absolutely terrible and it's not absolutely terrible. I think if I drank the whole thing I'd have a terrible headache but I just took two sips I was like Kelly Williams (05:17) Yeah, I don't know. I don't either. Mindy Price (05:38) I can do that. It's not, it doesn't, I guess I was anticipating it was going to taste like cough syrup or something. And it's, it's bubbly and it's most of my memories, Kelly, are on Mad Dog 2020, not Strawberry Hill Moons Farm. So maybe that's why, but it's not awful. Kelly Williams (05:40) What's Natalie Pilkinton (05:56) Are you thinking of the trash can punch? Kelly Williams (05:58) second he's was in the trash can punch. Now, okay, so what was in your trash can punch? Natalie. Natalie Pilkinton (06:04) It was literally everything. Kelly Williams (06:07) Yeah, our coondog punch was everclear and I think sprite. and the big bottle of the concentrated Hawaiian punch. And then every sliced up piece of fruit, you could imagine, you could get schnockered just off the fruit. Just saying. So we would, that was our go-to. If we had nighttime parties. Now we'll go into some of the traditions from. Natalie Pilkinton (06:17) Yes. Kelly Williams (06:32) back in my day and you guys can share some of your traditions. So I guess where I'm going with this is talking about the vast differences between different eras and stuff. And even though, like I said, we're only essentially nine years apart, there's a lot of differences that we've seen take place on so many different levels. I think the first thing, for you guys that are not watching us, we each are wearing our neon colors. I'm in a hot pink, Mindy's in her neon yellow, and Natalie's in every color under the sun with her little crazy necklace on or big earrings. So let's first talk about the differences in fashion. The first thing that comes to mind is obviously the big hair. my God, the higher the hair, the better. Remember, you did your big hair, and you would go to, what was it, glamour shots? And you'd put all the makeup on and if you didn't have five cans of Aquanet in your bathroom, I mean, you weren't, mean, my God. It would, I don't even know how, I tried to fix my hair like that earlier and it's like, I don't even remember how to do it. But it was, it was insane. I mean, when you look back on Facebook and you look at some of those wild, crazy hairdos, you're like, yes, Natalie's showing you the picture. I'm so crazy about gravity. Mindy Price (07:44) Yes. Well, hold on. We did, is that you? my gosh, you're gonna have to send me that photo. You're on mute. You're gonna have to send me that photo because I'll put it in here. And if you go to our website, sugarspiceandspirits.com, or you go to our Facebook, I think it's our cover photo. Kelly Williams (07:53) Thank you. Mindy Price (08:05) We actually did an old JCPenney's photo shoot. It was supposed to be one of those funny ones, the awkward moments, and somehow it turned into an 80s. We are all dressed up, and I teased my hair as much as I could and used the rave or aquanet or whatever hairspray I found just to be nostalgic. And that was so funny. And Kelly, it wasn't the 80s, and you're referencing the 80s, but for us it was the 90s. And I can remember, I think it was. Kelly Williams (08:09) Yes. Mindy Price (08:29) Freshman year in high school, you know, some women's girls get you know, most beautiful most photogenic I got highest bangs because those suckers was so tall It was like I felt like I was winning. It was like a I was like, yeah photogenic. this that I got the bangs Kelly Williams (08:40) Yo! Okay. Okay, yeah, I've not seen that picture and nor did I know of that accolade that you, okay, yeah, yeah, you're gonna have to post that picture because I did not know that. So when you think about the people who wore that, that big hair, Madonna comes to mind, maybe Whitney Houston, maybe some of the other, but more than anything, it was the men, the big hair bands, know, Motley Crue, Bon Jovi, Poison, mean all the flock of seagulls. I mean that it was all over the place But god dog that was some of the best music and and you know the the leggings and the and the even in our pictures We had the leggings not not the leggings that you know of today the the leg warmers not leggings Well, I don't know what they're called anymore leg warmers And the tennis shoes and the and the big break. good lord. It's such such such fun time, but Back in a time also when you did want to look somewhat fashionable, do you remember, and I do, and my God, they're actually coming back are the gargantuan shoulder pads. Do you remember walking in and if you had a blazer or a shirt or anything, you had those giant shoulder pads. That Natalie shaking her head, no. No, yeah. Natalie Pilkinton (10:06) I ripped those out. Like that was, I'm already broad enough. I'm I'm a big broad. So I had to take those things out. Cause I was about to be walking around like a linebacker. Kelly Williams (10:15) So on some I did, on some I did and now that they're coming back, yeah, they're out of there. They're out of there. But there were times, because I was an athlete. So I was saying, Natalie, I was always a little bit more, I wasn't chunky, but I was thicker because I was muscular. So on my little, I mean, I could stand. Mindy Price (10:16) Thank Natalie Pilkinton (10:37) I never picture you being broad. You're like five foot, a hundred pounds, like, soaking wet. I just don't see you as that. Kelly Williams (10:44) But, well, but compare, okay, so, but compared to some of my friends who were like so narrow and they could stand behind me and you couldn't see them because they were so narrow and I was a gymnast and so I was very broad. And so I did, sometimes I took those shoulder pads out, but you had the shoulder pads and the blazers and the shirts and then you have the, I put leggings, but I it was the leg warmers. Kind of crazy. Leg warmers and the high heels. Remember the pumps and the pumps and the jeans. And my Lord, I mean, I don't know how I didn't break my ankle, you know, 10 ways a Sunday. What was it? The trying to be sexy, the off the shoulder sweatshirts, which my God, they're coming back now. If you look on Amazon, you can, you know, they might be workout clothes, but they're still. I should have held on to all that stuff because I wouldn't have to go shopping now because it's all coming back around. But looking at the fashion, did you guys ever watch Miami Vice with Don Johnson? No, I still, that white suit and baby blue shirt and yeah, he had it going on with those little loafers and everything. But if you think about it, Mindy Price (11:44) Don Johnson, yeah I did. Hello. Kelly Williams (12:01) Everything was different. Some wore the parachute pants. Some wore the tight jeans and the pumps. Some wore the z cavaricci Remember those and the Rocky Mountain? Mindy Price (12:11) just about to go there the z cabericchi and then natalie and kelly you know the what was it the converse that you could change out the this was before crocs and the the the things in the crocs but what was that it was the rectangle i'm saying rectangle but the triangle Kelly Williams (12:26) It's F. Natalie Pilkinton (12:27) Yeah, you could change the arrow thing. Kelly Williams (12:30) Fila? No, not Fila. I had a pair and they had two sets of laces and yeah. Yeah. Mindy Price (12:34) Whatever... Whatever! Yes, so you wore that with your z cavaricci and you're off the shoulder sweatshirt or shirt and then you were like and then you mentioned Rocky Mountains. Yes, in my high banks. Kelly Williams (12:45) Mm-hmm. And then in your high bangs. Yeah, and maybe, I mean, it's high bangs. Yeah. Natalie Pilkinton (12:51) Zyklava z cavaricci were really nice jeans. Those were awesome jeans. Kelly Williams (12:55) They were expensive. Those were expensive. Those were the, yeah, those were the dance jeans and stuff. then now, depending on your regular dancing or your progressive dancing, but then if you want to go country dancing, you had the Rocky Mountains, which basically also served as a corset and a pushup bra because they came up so high. You know, if you had a butt, you didn't have a butt anymore in those pants. But my favorite were the Girbaud Mindy Price (13:15) Yeah. Kelly Williams (13:22) Remember the Girbaud I still have a pair of those just for nostalgia reasons. I can't get them up over my knees, but I love those. Those were my favorite jeans and I had them in college and I swore one day I was gonna get back into them and it didn't happen. my best friend at the time in college, and Susan, Susan Nipping hello Susan. my god, we got into, we just raised so much hell out of the college and those were, I think those jeans I have, I think were hers and I stole from her, so sorry Susan. Mindy Price (13:50) Do you remember, so the you were talking about the Girbaud back in the day that was also when and maybe it was just for me, but if you had not z cavaricci not the girbaud you had the guess jeans back then. Like you were something, something special. And then speaking of shoes, I didn't want to forget these. Natalie, did you wear Doc Martens? Did you get into that whole trend of the Doc Martens? Kelly Williams (14:04) yeah. Mm-hmm. Natalie Pilkinton (14:16) familiar with it. I was a Payless girl. Like, so I had all the knockoffs, everything from Payless that I didn't even realize it was a name brand. I'm just like, I like these. And then like, are you trying to wear these? I'm like, no, I'm trying to cover my feet. That's what I'm doing, buying shoes. Kelly Williams (14:30) Girl, I love Payless. I love Payless. Mindy Price (14:31) Hey, here's Natalie Pilkinton (14:32) Ha ha. Mindy Price (14:33) a crazy side fact. I wish I would have known we were going to talk about Payless. I'll show y'all sometime. I still have a pair of not kitten heels, but the mini pumps that are a nude color that came from Payless, the Payless brand that are so comfortable. And I have kept them up so neat because when I used to be on stage all those years ago, they were neutral. They were comfortable. They didn't hurt my feet. Now the pleather Natalie Pilkinton (14:43) Mm-hmm. Mindy Price (15:00) final leather is starting to peel a little bit and so I'm not going to wear them anymore but I kept them because I have so many fond memories but how many years later is this? Like... yeah. Kelly Williams (15:11) So you know when we were all doing our presenting and stuff and we were working for the company and I had those pumps that have all the bright pretty flowers on them that would go with everything. pay less girl, payless, yes. And I repeat, the whole inside is about to get eaten away and I'm like, I can't. Mindy Price (15:22) Yes, my name is... Natalie Pilkinton (15:29) The paint list has been closed. The paint list has been closed for like 10 years now. Kelly Williams (15:33) Yes, yes, you may payless but those suckers lasted a long time. I'm so sorry. I do too. I do too. do too. that back in those days when the mall was actually fun to go to and you actually had stores to go to and you would go to shoe stores, payless. Or go to Tom McCann, Buster Brown. I'm really dating myself now aren't I? Tom McCann, do you remember Tom McCann? Okay, nevermind. Well, moving on. So. Mindy Price (15:38) I Payless. I had lot of shoes from Payless. Like, they were great. Kelly Williams (16:01) So, so fashion, obviously fashion was huge and a lot of it is, I think a lot of it is kind of making its way back a little bit, not completely. I don't think the big hair will ever make its way back, but let's think about. Mindy Price (16:13) Have you seen me on Sundays? Come on. Kelly Williams (16:16) Well, I know, but that's not intentional. Natalie Pilkinton (16:17) Have you seen Pac Spence hair? He permed his hair. It came back but in the boys' role. So the boys get their hair's permed and then they fluff it and they're all walking around like Q-tips. Yeah. Mindy Price (16:27) It is crazy some of the boys that I have seen. I'm like, Gavin was telling me, he's like, Mom, you go to see this picture, this kid has a mushroom head. And he was like, no, maybe it's a football head. Mom, I don't know what kind of head he has, but I thought my hair was big and his hair is big, Pax's hair is big. No, it's like abnormally, it is, it is, and it's not like a cool Afro kind of, cause oh my God, I see that hair, it's gorgeous. It's the most odd. football, mushroom, big. I've never seen anything like it. This is the one picture and Gavin's like, yeah, I'm starting to see more of it. Natalie Pilkinton (16:57) Safe. Kelly Williams (17:03) Yeah, yeah, but I'm at just, it's, to each his own, on his own, on their own expression. But you know, wow, I was always too worried about, at that point, what I thought looked good. And I look back now, like, what the hell was I thinking? know, but you know, it was with the times, you're right. So, think about how we are coming to our audience now. I mean, we are, we're recording, you know, we're all in our three different locations today. Mindy Price (17:17) Look good back then. Kelly Williams (17:32) We wanted to get together, circumstances beyond our control happened. I'm like, guess what? We have the joy of being able to come together, whether it's on FaceTime on your phone or through this platform that we're on or what have you. But think about communication and technology back then. We have our smartphones. My daughter FaceTimed me earlier and I'm like, what are you doing? All I can see is the ceiling. She goes, well, I just wanted to talk to you. I'm like, then why are you FaceTiming me? Well, I don't know. I'm like, okay, whatever. Yeah. No, no, they FaceTime. So think about when the whole thought process of a cordless phone came in and we had the big giant brick phones. I mean, and if you had... Mindy Price (18:02) He only FaceTimes me and I'm like, Macy, me. And he's fine. Time out on that, Kelly, not just the cordless phone. The car phones, which you would think of cordless, it did that. My dad, I'll never forget, it was bolted into his work car and it literally was like the old school phone with the curly wire connector or whatever. don't even know how to, like y'all, it's so old, we forget what you say, but the cord. And it was so cool. Kelly Williams (18:45) Yeah. Mindy Price (18:47) And then the next thing was that huge brick and you just thought you were so cool. It's like, my dad has a work phone and check it out. Kelly Williams (18:51) the break. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, and they had the big old long tall antenna and everything. even before that, even before that, what about if the phone ring? I will never, the funniest thing I will never forget. And Cassie and Raleigh, my two favorite cousins, I'm sorry, Haley, you're my favorite cousin too, I'm sorry. Two of my cousins, Cassie and Raleigh, one time in their house, the phone rang. and I was down there visiting and the phone rang and they were probably, I don't know, four and five. They made a beeline for that phone and they fought over who picked, you know, was the wall mount and it had the accordion cord that went 25 feet. So if you wanted to talk in the other room, you could, but you had to keep the cord attached. They would come in there one time, they came in there one time, the phone rang, and I heard the biggest commotion, and they were fighting over who was gonna pick the phone up and answer it. And I don't know who was on the other end, but all I know is they got their butts torn up that day because my Aunt June, wasn't she so sweet? She beat their butts because they were fighting over the phone. I was sitting there looking, I'm like, my God. So I think about when you had to share a phone with your siblings. You know, and you had to pick up that phone and if you wanted privacy, you had to go down the street. Okay, Mindy's got her arm about to dislocate her shoulder trying to say something. What is it? Mindy Price (20:30) Is that the Aunt June that worked for Waylon Jennings? wait a minute, okay. Let's do it. Kelly Williams (20:33) No, that was Aunt Mary Lou. Yeah, that was Aunt Mary Lou. June is Cassie and Raleigh's mom. Yeah, yeah, sorry. Sorry, y'all. Yeah, no one knows. Okay, anyway. So, but it was so funny because they were too young, but they wanted to talk on the phone. And so think about that type of phone, but then also think about, remember, some of you don't even know what the rotary phone was when you had like, Mindy Price (20:41) Okay. Natalie Pilkinton (20:42) yeah, yeah. We all know. Kelly Williams (21:01) dial it up and to sit there and just dial seven numbers took you forever. You know, the whole thought of a cell phone or even being able to, hey Siri, who the hell is Siri? You know, but back then, see my Siri, my phone's sitting next to me. She's like, yes, can I help you? Nevermind Siri, go away. Okay, so those types of phones, the little princess phones. Just anything that was still stuck on the wall was so much fun, but you think about so nostalgic when you walk in, you never see those anymore. Very rarely do you see the pay phones. I if you see a pay phone, chances are it's just the shell and there's no phone in there out on the street. Mindy Price (21:46) I'm trying to go to a speakeasy. Kelly Williams (21:48) Yeah, yeah, so yeah, but think about the advances in technology. Think about how easy we have it with, you know, I'm not gonna say her name very loud, but Alexa, because if I say it very loud, she'll answer me on the TV. No, we used to lay right in front of the TV because if we needed to change the channel, we had to physically get up and click, click, click, change the channel. That was after we had to adjust the antenna. because that's all we had because we didn't have, you know, may not have cable. that time, damn times were rough back then. Mindy Price (22:20) Rabbit ears we called him rabbit ears and then if you had to wrap the foil around them so that you could get better you could get better service Then you had the antenna on and I don't know the difference in the years But you had the antenna on top of the roof and so somebody had to be brave and get on top of the roof to adjust it if It was football or your favorite Kelly Williams (22:25) Yep. Yeah. Yeah, and heaven forbid it was during a lightning storm. Okay, so we've talked about phones, we've talked about TV, now let's talk about our music. Mindy Price (22:51) Before that, because phones and TV, what about internet, Kelly? Phones, TV, internet. Kelly Williams (22:56) Oh yeah, no, yeah, yeah. When you think about internet, mean, if you wanted to do a project for school, you went to the Encyclopedia Britannica. You didn't go, and hopefully it's up to date, you couldn't go and Google. I mean, problem solving, back then, it was not with Google, it was not with AI. You had to actually go to the library, the Dewey Decibel system. But knowing how your librarians were your best or your worst friends, depending on what you needed to know for school. remember the big, I don't know if y'all remember the big floppy disks? They had the big square. Yeah. Mindy Price (23:38) my gosh. those big floppy disks, y'all, my mom, QVC equivalent, whatever it was, she thought she was so cool. And we didn't necessarily have the money for it at the time, but she was like seven easy payment plans or how for me she buys this computer. And it wasn't huge, but was a, it was big square block. And then it has a big square block screen. and you're talking about these floppy disks, Kelly, and the thing in the middle was about this big, and it was this big square, like maybe a six by six or five by five. All we could do on this very expensive computer was play Hangman. That's it. Kelly Williams (24:18) yeah. Yeah. Mindy Price (24:19) She invested all this money. My dad was so mad, but she was just so excited. That's all it was. It didn't work because you know back then so Natalie and I had we didn't just have to rely on the library. We had AOL dial up internet. You've got mail, but it was so slow. It was like can I just go grab the encyclopedia and look it up faster than I can actually get this connection, but it's so crazy. Natalie Pilkinton (24:48) Yeah, so encyclopedia you mentioned. when you go to the library, everybody, like you had the traveling encyclopedia sells people that would come and sell knowledge to your front door so that you could be bestowed with information and get a leg up on everybody else. Columbia records. So we're going to talk about the Columbia, how they would send this stuff to the house and you'd buy five tapes and make the payments of this. And then all of sudden you're in collections for something or finger hut, you know, the catalog that you Kelly Williams (25:17) Yes! Natalie Pilkinton (25:18) order. Finger Hut was the Amazon of the 80s where you would see a nice set and you're like, I can buy that for my mom. That's our Christmas gift. That's something that I remember. then Napster. So we're talking about waiting, downloading, me being a huge music buff. was Napster and I were like besties. was burning, burning CDs and tapes for everybody that Kelly Williams (25:22) Yes. Yeah. Yes. Oh my god. Natalie Pilkinton (25:43) that I enjoyed music, I'd have our playlist. So we'd have our own playlist, we'd have our playlist, and it would just be like, it was fun, fun times. Kelly Williams (25:51) Napster was the start of the whole, yeah, and cause you know, remember then it was all the infringement into, know, were you pirating and you're gonna get in trouble and like, my God, you know, but yeah, cause before, so back in the era when we had the cassettes, you know, you'd be sitting there and you'd be listening to your radio through your big jam box that was, you know, as big as, it was just huge that you'd walk down the street with your jam box on your shoulder. and you'd be sitting there and you'd be with your friends listening to your favorite song and all of sudden your favorite song's like, everybody shut up! And you punch record real quick and you're sitting there and you play it and you pray that you don't accidentally record over your favorite cassette. And you had stacks and stacks and stacks of your favorite cassettes, of your favorite songs from, know, the Casey Kasem countdown, top 40 countdown. Everyone had got around the corner on that weekend. But then you had the TV, you had the Night Trax. Night Trax, every Friday night. When MTV first came out and the videos came out, everyone showed up at someone's house and we watched all the music videos and that was just the coolest thing. Mindy Price (27:02) MTV! Kelly Williams (27:05) tracks and but think about if you wanted to be on the go and you do want the big the big giant and yet those those of you that can't see me I'm very animated with my hands so I'm pretending I've got the big jam box on my shoulder the the Walkman that you could you could either do the cassette and then as things progressed you could actually put the CD in it but you couldn't run very fast because the CD would skip you'd get mad so Natalie Pilkinton (27:27) than that upgraded to the iPod. Mindy Price (27:30) Yes! Kelly Williams (27:30) Yes, the eye. Yeah. Mindy Price (27:34) you were talking about cassettes and Kelly you said making sure you don't record over your favorite song. How many of you gave or received a cassette with said love songs or your favorite songs your favorite tunes and that was an expression of friendship or love? Kelly Williams (27:50) Yeah. Natalie Pilkinton (27:51) Yeah, that's what I was saying. I gave those out like all the time. Yeah. Kelly Williams (27:55) Oh oh yeah, if you wanted to get a, and we'll go into this in just a little bit, but if you wanted to get a girl or a guy to be, hey, what about this? You all of you put these suggestive songs on there and oh, we share that in common. And all of sudden, yeah, I mean, so I was a big rock and roller back then. I had all the big posters of Van Halen and all them. And oh yeah, that was, if somebody would, made me, as a of fact, Mike Werley, one of my best friends in the whole wide world, made me the big Ozzy Osbourne tape. We wore that thing out like nobody's business and my best friend Denise, she was a year older than me, you God bless, know, God rest her soul, she passed away. She and I wore out the Sammy Hagar three lock box tape. We wore out four or five of, I have to ask my mom, I need to go buy another cassette. I just bought that. I know, but me and Denise wore it out. She goes, oh my God, Kelly. But we did. You find your favorite and it just goes over and over and over. So go ahead Natalie. Natalie Pilkinton (28:56) So we're talking about night, you know, at nighttime, what night news, you know, it's, was that Adam Walsh, the missing person or what was that? Unsolved mysteries. that would come on. Yeah. Kelly Williams (29:06) I mysteries, yes. Yes, because his son, yes. And do remember, what was it, Max Headroom? He was the animated, yeah, he creeped me out. He creeped me out, so. Natalie Pilkinton (29:14) Yeah, makes no difference. But so the nightly news, they'd always ask it's 10 o'clock or it's nine o'clock. Do know where your kids are? So it's like, why would you know where your kids were? But that was a different time and error. Also, remember the scrambled TV? So when you'd start getting to the pay channels or the x-rated and be all scrambled and you might see something like, you know, I saw that. Now it's everywhere. I kind of like the old days when it was when it was hidden at least. Mindy Price (29:33) Thanks Kelly Williams (29:35) Yes. Yeah. Mindy Price (29:38) you Kelly Williams (29:43) Yeah, it was a more, was a little more, a more wholesome and stuff, but. So, okay, so speaking of. Natalie Pilkinton (29:44) a lot. A lot more innocent, right? Mindy Price (29:49) Listen, you say it's a little more wholesome. Some of those shows that you go back like Archie Bunker it's like, what? Like, you couldn't even do that today. But anyway, just, I digress. Kelly Williams (30:00) there are so many, no, no, you're right though. I mean, it's, there's so much, you know, PC these days and so much that you're right, things that the Jeffersons and Archie Bunker would get into conversations about. I mean, it would blow people's minds these days. And back then it was like, Natalie Pilkinton (30:25) you mean real life conversations about real life things and difference of opinions and still coexisting in a manner Kelly Williams (30:25) can't believe they had that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, let's face it. Archie Bunker was, he was a racist, but he and George Jefferson butted heads and George Jefferson just handed it right back to him. It was a time that it wasn't so just so tense. mean, Mindy Price (30:54) you were starting to talk about music earlier, Kelly, and watching back like these shows, and it's like, my gosh, like, wow. Natalie and I being from a different generation, we're the same generation, but the years between us and our taste in music being very different. Kelly Williams (31:09) Right. Natalie Pilkinton (31:11) It's like a different decade Mindy Price (31:12) literally going back Natalie and listening to some of the words that we were dancing to and just thinking were awesome and now we listen to some of these rap songs and it's just like what and TikTok is hilarious where the parents are playing that music to their kids and the kids start turning red from 2LiveCrew and some of the stuff that we just thought were like my gosh like OPP and other things and it's just like and we loved it! Natalie Pilkinton (31:40) You know with OPC, Kelly Williams (31:40) yeah. Natalie Pilkinton (31:41) yeah you know me! Mindy Price (31:42) You're so cute! Natalie Pilkinton (31:44) No, no, we're not. We're not going with OPP Kelly Williams (31:49) I I know. And it was just, you know, I'll never forget, like I said, I was a big rock and roller. I loved the rock music. I had the poster of Eddie Van Halen on my ceiling. And that was the, some of the fashion back then was the OP surf stuff and lightning bolt. Well, my mom, my mom walked in one day and I had gone to get some silver spray paint. Natalie Pilkinton (32:07) was just so perfect, yeah. Kelly Williams (32:13) And we lived down on the coast. So every Saturday and Sunday, we went to the beach. My best friend and I, Brooke, we were at the beach. We'd go to Jack in the Box. We'd go to church. We'd go to Jack in the Box. Then we'd hit the beach every Sunday. And it was just, it's just what we did. And Lightning Bolt, I mean, I had like the three earrings in one ear and the one earring hanging out the other ear. And the other earring was this big old long Lightning Bolt. My mom walked in one day and Brooke and I had painted this big giant lightning bolt from ceiling to floor. And my mom walked in my sweet little room full of flowers and stuff and she said, well, if you want to live in a creepy room, that is up to you to keep the damn door shut. I went, okay. So it was just like, oh my God, but it was God bless her. let me express myself, but oh yeah, we had the posters all over the walls and all the... the guys that, know, we didn't, speaking of internet, we didn't get to stalk the celebrities on the internet because we didn't have that. So we had to go buy the magazines. Every week we'd go, there's Tiger Beat and other rock and roll magazines. We'd tear out the pictures of all the hot rockers and all those little celebrity crushes. yeah, my God. My mother was like, really, why are they painting your room? Cause you've got this crap plastered all over your bedroom. But it was like, we were so cool. Mindy Price (33:23) Make poster boards! Kelly Williams (33:36) You know, it's just, if you, when you had your friends and then going back to what we're talking about, know, celebrity stalking or meeting people, dating. I mean, we had to date organically. You either, I'll never forget when I was in high school, there was, was, there was this guy, I was a sophomore and there was a senior and I'd walk down the hall to class and every day he'd be sitting at end of the hall and he'd be smiling at me. was like, hey. And I walked by and little did I know he was kind of stalking me. We finally asked me out and I thought, oh, he's so cool because he's a senior. And oh my God, he was the biggest twit. Anyway, it's a bad scene. But that was how you got to know each other. You either you found out what was going on on the weekend. You you got in your car and you cruise the Sonic or down here we had Dunbar Park and that's where everybody would hang out. And you're like, hey, where's the party? Or so and so is having a party this weekend. And that's where you'd go. because that's the only place you knew where you could meet people, especially, heaven forbid, if your crush was gonna be there and you're like, I gotta get my hair all teased up 10 feet high and put my tennis shoes on with little changeable square triangles and make sure they match and I'm gonna go out looking good because Mr. So-and-so is gonna be there. I mean, it was just so fun. And then you walk in and he's with another girl and you're like, my God! Mindy Price (34:57) Because you had no idea. You didn't have your friends able to text you or call you or FaceTime you to say so and so is here and this is what is happening. You remember also passing notes. Like writing notes and then passing them. Y'all, I'll never forget my mom found a box of my notes because I wasn't smart enough to get rid of them and she read them. How was it? Maybe that's where my privacy comes from where I'm like, no, that's my business. Kelly Williams (35:07) yes. Maybe so. Mindy Price (35:23) But I was mortified Kelly Williams (35:24) Maybe so. Mindy Price (35:26) because the notes, you didn't think about it. That was your communication. Think about our text messages between each other and the things that we share and everything else. You're literally folding them up and you've got origami going on. Sometimes you're being cool. I don't know if you all did it, but spitballs where you'd have a message and you had to get it way across and you needed somebody to get it and you didn't want anybody else to see it. I don't know if you all did that, but I did. Kelly Williams (35:48) Yeah, chances are it's about somebody that was in that room and if someone found it, were like, my God, did see what she said about you? But that's what was so, so different back then. Think about, think about, and this goes back to the phone also, and just a satisfaction. If you were mad at your friend or you were mad at your boyfriend or whatever, you couldn't just annihilate them through text. You either had to have, pardon me, you either had to have the balls to call them or it was gonna deescalate and you're gonna be okay. But the most satisfaction you would get is if you get mad at someone and you could just slam that phone down in their ear and like bust their ear drum, you're like, my God, that felt so good. But you had to have the guts to call them first and like totally call them. Natalie Pilkinton (36:34) I got creative on pagers. like beepers, you we used to beep and so you could type things. So I would just type out words, like whatever it meant, and I'd make him figure out what it was because I'd be pissed. So I was text, I'd type like, and it was code, like Morris code almost. I'm like, you figure it out, jerk. Like you need to put some time into this. So like that was fun. We're talking about pagers. What else were we talking about? There was something, I had another thought, but it's gone. So I'm sure it'll come. Kelly Williams (36:44) yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mindy Price (37:02) Pagers, beepers, Natalie Pilkinton (37:04) Oh, hanging up. Oh, so you're mad at somebody and you keep calling them and their phone's busy. Like what is a busy phone? That doesn't make sense. Like, hello, hello. Operator, operator, give me number nine. No, you're like breaking the line. Like interrupt the call and it's the friend's parents. Something serious is going on and you're in trouble. Like, oh, you know, or star 69. Yes. Star 69. And then, Mindy Price (37:22) Star 67, Star 69, all of things. Kelly Williams (37:26) we thought it was awesome. And we thought it was awesome when call waiting came along. I my God, you mean I can actually have a call come in? But you know, and the thing is, is like you'd be sitting there if so-and-so says, I'm gonna call you tonight. You'd literally sit there and just wait. And you'd watch that phone. And you watch that phone. Mom, I can't go because so-and-so's gonna call me. And you'd sit there because there was no voicemail. There was no, you know, if mom didn't pick up the phone and take a mess, I was on so called It's like, you know, because nine times out of 10, if mom picked up the phone, they're gonna hang up. So you're like, oh my God. So, yes. Natalie Pilkinton (37:59) So three-way calling, three-way calling, and then party lines. You guys remember those party lines? Like you would just call in to random party lines and there'd be a bunch of people there, like just talking. Kelly Williams (38:09) Yeah. Or the worst thing you... Mindy Price (38:10) Hold on, prank calling back in the day. I mean, we bored. We didn't have the internet. We didn't have anything. You could prank call and they couldn't trace it back until they could. Kelly Williams (38:13) Yeah. Natalie Pilkinton (38:13) Yes. That's like ding-dong ditching before ring cameras, you know? It's like, I got ding-dong ditchy other day and posted it. I knew who it was. And then the dad ended up showing the daughter and she's like, stop, stop showing me that. I didn't mind, cause hey, you know, like at least they're out doing something fun. Kelly Williams (38:21) It's really good. Right, right. But going back to the three-way calling, do you remember when all of a sudden, you know, you could, if you had a girlfriend that you could ride your bike to their house and they lived on two separate ends of the neighborhood, well, the girls would never know that they were talking to the same boy until they did know. And then all of sudden the girls got to be friends and then there came that three-way calling and the two girls, one girl would call the boy and the other girl would be on the phone and he'd be saying, and I mean, next thing you know, he gets to school on Monday and can't figure out why everybody's mad at him. It's like, well, because... Natalie Pilkinton (39:16) Kelly, that experience? Like, did you experience that? That's... Kelly Williams (39:20) Yeah, me and Deena Mangrum, we kicked, I'm not even gonna say his name in case he's watching this. Oh yeah, we totally, totally called him out. He's like, oh my God. Yeah, yeah. So that was fun. That was... Mindy Price (39:35) my gosh, speaking of fun, I got to get it out because I'll be thinking about it the whole time. And it's so, so silly, so innocent, so fun. When we would prank call, there was a lot of different ones. But my favorite one, because it was just so silly and we would hang up and we would cry, laugh. And it got everybody every time until everybody knew the thing, the schick. But you know, you call them and they would answer hello. And it's like, hey, this is so and so from such and such. Got a question for you. Is your refrigerator running? And then we'd go, yeah. And then you would go, well, you better go catch it. Kelly Williams (40:06) I think it's running on a street! Natalie Pilkinton (40:09) was on the Simpsons. That's where I remember that one from, the Simpsons. Kelly Williams (40:12) Yes. Mindy Price (40:12) man, we did it all the time and we thought it was just so stinking funny. Like innocent, funny. The times were different. Natalie Pilkinton (40:14) Yeah. Kelly Williams (40:23) But it was harmless. So I'll never forget, you know, in high school, I mean, everyone thinks they're cool and everything. So me and my best friend at the time, Lynn, Buckanin Lynn Shelton, hey Lynn, we just thought we were so cool and we were so fun. we've her longer than any other friend in my entire life. And this was when was three years old. We were out driving, we went to Sonic and someone said, and I'm not gonna say her name, cause she'll probably find out. She said, so and so's having a party. I'm like, cool. So me and Lynn, thinking we're just like so cool, we go up and knock on the door to come to the party. Well, they wouldn't let us in. And we're like, but we're so cool. And no, I'm sorry. So. nothing against these guys. It was all the National Honor Society people and they're like, well, okay, fine. So me and Lynn just drove, I had a little red sports car, we got in the car, we drove back up to Sonic and we said, hey, there's a party at So-and-So's house. And so everybody left Sonic. And when I tell you, 50 cars showed up and me and Lynn literally sat across the street. on the hood of my car, just sitting back there watching like, uh-huh, that'll teach you not to let us in the door the next time. And so that was like one of the best memories in the whole world. one of the other memories that I had, and this is kind of sweet and sad, but I'm gonna mention anyway, we had the most awesome kid in our school. He was a couple of years younger than us, think, than me when I was a senior. His name was Jimmy Heard, and he had muscular dystrophy. and he was in a little power chair and this kid was so smart. But if you think about it, he was in a wheelchair and with muscular dystrophy, it's a progressive disease. He did eventually pass away a few years after he graduated from high school. you know, I, and I'm not tooting or whining, think of it, I was a cheerleader. My good friend Tori was a cheerleader and we dated football players and the whole thing. And Jimmy was just so sweet. Everyone knew him, everyone loved him. And so, One weekend, we asked his mom if we could take him out one time for the weekend just to cruise the Sonic. And she was like, my God, that would be so amazing. Well, that was like on a Monday or Tuesday, because we had what was called Campus Life, which was kind of like small group for, know, instead of going to church, you know, all the kids would get together and we'd do Bible study and everything. And so we met Jimmy's mom. and asked her if we could just pick him up one night. So one night it was me and Tori and Guy Weaver and Drew Holt and we picked Jimmy up and we came and picked, of course we couldn't carry his big power chair. So I will never forget, Drew and Guy picked Jimmy up and came up and put him in the front seat. think it was, I think I was dating Drew at the time. And the big land bar, like the big Ford LTD or the Lincoln Town car, the big huge car. But word had gotten out that Jimmy was gonna be out. And so we went down to the Sonic there in Lake Jackson and we got there and when I tell you, you could not fit another car around Sonic or across from Dairy Bar or anything, because we pulled in and of course, you know, it was... Drew was driving and I was in the middle. put Jimmy on the side so he could see. Of course we rolled the window down with a hand crank. We didn't have the electric window. Had to roll the window down. And we drove through the Sonic and everybody was like, hey Jimmy. And it was the absolute highlight of his high school. Of course, back then you couldn't film anything unless you had the big super eight. But It almost brings me to tears because it was just something that he never got to experience because of his disability. But we were like, you know, want this kid to at least experience it. And so if anyone asks what the highlight of my high school career was, it was that night that we took Jimmy around and he was like, my gosh, that was so wonderful and everyone loved it. And it was amazing when you reach out and you do something like that. and you think back to all the fun things that you do, know, going on the bus trips to the football games and the Friday night lights and everything. I mean, you just, I feel bad for those kids who didn't enjoy high school. Because I would redo, mean, think about now, back then I'm like, get me the hell out of high school. But looking now, I would redo high school in a heartbeat. I loved it. I mean, I don't know about you guys, do you? I mean, it like you guys both had some pretty good memories. I mean, I'm guessing that you guys did. mean, what about, mean, y'all are younger than me. Natalie Pilkinton (45:23) I to a lot of different high schools. So everything from Alief Hastings, JVH, Jersey Village, El Paso, Irving, Clear Creek. So I traveled around a little bit. So I still had great experiences, just a little. I still had great experiences at each place and met great, great cool people. Kelly Williams (45:38) Just a... love you. Mindy Price (45:46) So having a son that just graduated high school in one college and you think about, we all were like, I can't wait to get out of this place and to grow up and being a grownup isn't all that great either. Would I do it again as long as I knew that I had my life experience now? Yeah, with other things I would do differently probably knowing what I know now But those are some of the best memories some of the funniest things and I you know earlier you were talking about clothes and there is that difference and the outfits that we wore that were different than what you wore like we weren't wearing the bright stuff the you know past the 80s Natalie shirts as 1991 I think so it was still a thing spring break 19 Kelly Williams (46:10) You Mindy Price (46:29) Anyway. Kelly Williams (46:29) Yep. Natalie Pilkinton (46:30) spring breaks in the 90s MTV would play them for like three weeks or the big spring break weekend here big spring break week it was mayhem like girl gone wild like all the crazy stuff Mindy Price (46:37) So good. Kelly Williams (46:43) No. Mindy Price (46:45) I love from high school though, and I know you love your music and it's probably not that your 80s music isn't great, but Kelly I love the music of the 90s and The fact there's so many kids these days are still playing it at their weddings you know, they're playing it in big moments and I Do I miss some of that and then there's this music now that's on that my kids are listening to and I'm like I don't even know what half of that stuff is so Natalie Pilkinton (46:54) But... Kelly Williams (47:11) I know I and it's same thing and so I guess what's so funny is that what a lot of people don't realize is that So with with my high school we we had we had two different towns we had Clute and we had Lake Jackson and We were big junior high rivals and then we all had to be combined for high school and so that was that was a that was kind of a huge intermingling thing that we had to overcome but Let's think about my high school, which was Brazoswood and Mindy's high school, which was Ankelton. We were huge rivals. We hated each other. We, we had, my gosh, we hated each other back in the day. But when, when my daughter was coming up in her high school, she would say, I'm going to, I'm going out with so and so. I'm like, well, who are they? when I go to Sweeney, I'm like. Mindy Price (47:49) We burnt down each other's bonfires. Kelly Williams (48:06) How the hell do you know anybody from Sweeney? well they were on Facebook. I'm like, So we were very, we were very secluded to our own little groups because we didn't have the social media to find out what was, mean, if Brazoswood was showed up at one of Angleton's parties, the fight was on and vice versa. So go ahead, Nat. Natalie Pilkinton (48:26) So whenever we're talking high school, right? Remember the kickers, headbangers, the jocks, the smokers? Like everybody was, you you had your different groups that you'd hang out with, but just what we would call everybody, you know, and it's, and it was like, oh, they're right. She's over there with the kickers or she's like right here or she's over, you know, and it's just, it's what it was. It was what you liked. It was where you were. Remember the smoking section? Like at schools, they would have the, the smoking section or they'd have the Kelly Williams (48:31) yeah. Natalie Pilkinton (48:55) Like pregnant women, like so if the girls got pregnant in high school, they like had daycare at the school and it was part of like a childcare learning program. So other students would watch the kids while the moms went to date, like went to school, at least in my school. Mindy Price (49:11) So I don't remember a smoking section at all in high school or yet, no. I do remember toward the end. Kelly Williams (49:11) No, we're good. Natalie Pilkinton (49:14) You don't. Kelly Williams (49:16) We had a smoking section, but it wasn't legal. It was those, they were hiding behind the bleachers. Mindy Price (49:22) And then I do remember it was towards the end of high school there was a building that they built that actually was where they did have the moms that were pregnant and having the babies and there was a daycare. I also remember a friend associate that was pregnant and we saw that she was getting bigger but we were like what's happening and she had the baby she was Natalie Pilkinton (49:32) Yeah, mom, this is good. Mindy Price (49:45) back the next day, never confirmed there was a baby, later on we found out there was. It was just such a faux pas back then. Like you didn't want to talk about it, the parents wanted to hide it, and it's, I don't know what it's like now, because I didn't have a child that had, you know, a baby young in high school, what they do now, so I can't really speak to it. I just remember, and I think about her mental state too, what she had to go through during all that, hiding all that, being... you know being being worried about it things were standards were very different judgment was very different I say that I know there's a lot of judgment that happens now but it you had you walked a lot straighter line in high school I remember if you broke the rules there were consequences for it there wasn't I remember one of my sons freshman year in high school and he was like, mom, they're allowing kids to act like they're dogs and drink out a dog dishes and be walked around with a collar. And I was like, that is absolutely not acceptable. It's just different. Kelly Williams (50:45) So, yeah, it is different because I remember, and I think on one of our previous podcasts, we talked about this. When, at Brazoswood had, I think, four or five different principals. Each one principal was assigned to you your freshman year, and they followed you through the whole year. And we had Mr. Cox. That man scared the ever-loving hell out of me. I mean, because he had this face. and this persona about him and then Mr. Slade. If you ever saw that show Phantasm when that guy came walking down that hall, swear to God, that looked like Mr. Slade and they were a force to be reckoned with and you did not get out of line. And when they came, they could poke their head around the corner and you would stand at attention because it was respect, it was the consequences of what whether you got something taken away from you, I'm sorry, but you got your ass beat with a couple of licks with a big old thick paddle. And it was just different. I'm not gonna say I missed that, but I think it was just, I feel so, so much empathy and so much compassion for our teachers these days, because they are out there and they're trying to educate our youth and make them good. and make them able to survive in society. there's in some instances they fear for their lives. And I mean, let me tell you what, was, my mom told me and I told my daughter, if I ever get called up to the principal's office because you've done something, I assure you, I am not taking your side. I'm gonna listen to their side first and chances are you're gonna be in trouble. And so she, and she knew. And she knew, and I knew too, I knew my mom would beat my butt from here to next Wednesday if I got called to the principal's office. And that was just because I just knew. She said, I don't care for any other reason other than the fact that they are older than you, they have earned your respect and you better not treat them any way other than that. And that was just something that we learned. I I never went up there and thought to myself, I'm gonna say, Well, who are you to treat my child like that? My first thing to like, what the hell did you do, Macy? And she just knew. She just. Natalie Pilkinton (53:04) More of a team effort, more of a team effort. you back to each other. Now there's that division. It's like the parents, the teacher, and it's not the teacher's fault, but it's like the way the structure of the school system is gone. I won't go into that because it's off topic. tangent tax but yeah, it's not the same. Kelly Williams (53:07) The parent and the teacher. Yeah, the parent and the teacher on the same flight. Yes! I know, mean, yeah, and for those of you that are just better, well, for those of you that are just joining us, Natalie is very involved with her school board and everything that goes on behind the scenes that we don't know about. it's just, know, parents just, and again, and a whole other episode we don't wanna get involved with, but sometimes you just lose, you lose that grasp on the kids. I look back and every Sunday hang out at the condos at the beach. you know, I'm sorry, again, sorry, mom, know, the friends would drive up with the keg in the back of the truck and we'd have the Coke can and we'd have the little plastic wrap that said Coca-Cola and it would go around our Coors beer, whatever it was we were drinking. But it was all in fun and I wasn't a big drinker, but a lot of my friends were, so I'd drink and I'd pour it out and I'd drink. Now I'm not saying I didn't drink, so my friends don't call me out on this, because I did drink some, but... No, don't you dare. Don't you dare. Natalie Pilkinton (54:25) in the comments. Call her out. We want to see it. Call her out. We know the truth, Kelly. We know the truth. You're on a podcast that covers drinking. Mindy Price (54:33) One of those national honor societies is gonna be like, I know who, now I got you. Kelly Williams (54:36) I know what you did. That Natalie Pilkinton (54:38) That's why we didn't let her in. We only have so much. Kelly Williams (54:39) was you who sent all those people to my party, to my house. Yeah, sorry, that was me. But so, I mean, I could speak for hours on how much fun the 80s were. lastly, I wanna go into just one last thing. With Netflix and all those things, you look back at all the things that have kind of hung around. For those of you who just want the fun, wholesome, make you laugh movies, some of my favorite movies from the 80s, The Breakfast Club, mean, was the whole, remember the whole Brat Pack? You know, it was that whole crew. my God, 16 Candles, that was amazing. Ferris Bueller's Day Off, Pretty in Pink. And of course, so me and two of my other best friends, Pam and Paula, they're twins, love them. Your mom, God bless you. Their mom recently passed away. She was my hairdresser for all those years. us, we all went to see the show, Fast Times at Ridgemont High. We thought that was the best movie in the whole world. So we told my mom and their mom to go see it. My mom and their mom, my God, went to see it and came up and they said, that was the most vile thing. I don't think we were able to get, I don't think we were able to go to the movie for the longest time because you know, it was Mindy Price (56:04) Watch it. Kelly Williams (56:06) I mean, it was just, my God, it was so funny. We just thought it was, it was the, it does, and we thought it was so funny. My mom and Hattie Hay were so appalled. And it was just like, and the other movie that just now came to mind was The Blue Lagoon. And it was an R-rated movie, but my friend, Karen, Karen Browning? And her mom loved her again, know, second mom. Natalie Pilkinton (56:09) It's got some parts in it, Mindy. Mindy Price (56:24) Brooks, yo. Kelly Williams (56:33) She had to be 17 or have an adult with you. So she got my mom's permission. Can I take them to see this? So she got us in. And I swear, I think she left. Or either she was sitting up front, but all I know is Christopher Atkins, that was the guy that was playing. So, you know, they were this young couple and they get shipwrecked and blah, blah, blah. And all I know is he was swimming through the water naked. I'm like, my God, is he naked? We were like, woo woo! It was just like, my God, we gotta get out more. But we just had just so, so much fun. Like I said, I could go for hours, up on hours, and talk about all the fun experiences and the memories that I had at Brazos Wood High School from the early on till the time we graduated. my gosh. And I will tell you, Natalie Pilkinton (57:04) What? Kelly Williams (57:29) Our class, the class of 85, we have had a reunion every five years. And there are classes that I've never had. My daughter, I don't think she's been to one reunion yet. Mindy Price (57:38) Hold on, I'm 1994, we've not had a single reunion. Be careful in who you choose as your class president, because we still have not had a reunion, but okay. Kelly Williams (57:43) We- We have had a reunion every five years. We just had our 40th. We have live fans. And the thing is that now, sadly, all the classes, they're getting smaller. I mean, we've lost a lot of our classmates. And so now we invite classes above and classes below. And it just turns out to be just the best reunion and the so much reminiscing and everything. you know, for those young kids out there listening to us, I mean, if you, maybe you don't have a good connection with your high school folks, but if you've got connection with your college friends or your current friend group, just do not take for granted how great your friendships are. Because I mean, I just met Natalie a little over a year ago. I've known Mindy for a few years. But these are friendships that I will treasure from now on. I look back at the friendships that I've had since I was in sixth grade and for over 40, 50 years and they absolutely mold your life. I mean, it's amazing. So looking back then and looking back now, I'm looking back then, looking forward now, if we could ask one final question, it would be, what have we gained? What have we lost? Do you think we're better off now or do you wish it were more like it was? I I guess it's kind of a loaded question, but it probably takes days to answer it. But I think about there's so many things that I would love to keep as it were back then, but so many things I know we take advantage of that we need today. You know, all the technology and stuff that that's great. there's just some things that I would love to stay back in that era. So I'd be interested to hear what you guys think. Mindy Price (59:42) Here's what I think though I think an episode where we talk about the 80s versus the 90s and have it fun like the idioms if y'all haven't watched that one or listened to it It's so fun where we all take a turn and go hot fast quick Big in like which which one did it better? I think that would be super fun I'm happy about where we are there things I would I would love to change and to go back. Absolutely. Can we no but maybe there's a way to revive it kind of like we never thought bell bottoms back in the day would come back they did we never thought certain styles certain music so i don't know what do think Nat Natalie Pilkinton (1:00:16) I think bring back books, like bring back books, get the technology out of the schools, like computers maybe in a class or two, but not the whole thing. And let teachers teach. Right now there's so much curriculum that teachers who have life experiences to share and have value to bring, they can't bring it. It's too scripted and our data, our kids' data is being sold. So I know that's not where we want to go in conversation, but it's all a data graph. Kelly Williams (1:00:43) So speaking of bringing back books, recently, of course I live in a big subdivision with a ton of people. And we recently just started a book club. And I was like, and I did the whole Kindle thing and I tried to read it then I'm like, I don't think I like this. I'm like, I need the book. And I happened to be at Target the other day and I saw this whole thing. I'm like, oh my God, there's I'm like, well, I already put it on Kindle, but I'm probably gonna have to go back and get the book just because I just like the whole book thing. So, wrapping up, there are so many different avenues that we can go down when we try to compare then and now. And I'm sure my mom could sit there and say, no, the 50s and the 60s were the best. I'm like, yeah, no, you can have your old Fonzie and your American Graffiti and all that kind of stuff, but. because they still have their issues and everything. But all I know is that I am so thankful and I'm so blessed to have grown up in the 80s and in the era that I did and the friendships that I've had. I'm sure my daughter says, my life was great too. But my daughter still, I raised her on a lot of 80s stuff. My daughter, she and I can sit there down the road and we can listen to 80s music. We can listen to anything and everything. I just think the eighties and the nineties, the nineties too. I think it had some, there was something about it that it just, I don't know that it's gonna stop. I mean, and there's a totally different topic, but I think about the people that didn't get to enjoy Elvis. Oh my God, that was the most beautiful man in the whole wide world. And I just adored him and a totally different topic. But there's so many important things that people miss out on. And I know there's other things to come along, it's just, I just feel very blessed and very fortunate to have been in that era. And if there's anybody out there who was part of the eighties or the nineties who want to add something to this conversation, if you wanna have your favorite songs, your favorite movies, some of the favorite trends, whatever that maybe we didn't touch on, we would love to hear about it. Like I said, you can like us, you can subscribe. We would love to hear from you, sugarspicesandspirits.com. Any final words from you two ladies regarding today's episode? Mindy Price (1:03:06) I like big butts and I cannot lie You other uns can't deny When a girl walks in with her itty bitty waist and a round thing in your face you get sprung Kelly Williams (1:03:13) Okay, I'm gonna go turn on my 80s yacht rock. So, cause you guys overwhelm me. But in the meantime, we're going to finish off our drink of the strawberry hill from Boone's farm. And like I said, we would love to hear from you guys. We'd love to hear some feedback and until then, cheers to everyone and have a great